Like Nuclear Caudillo said : "There's nothing more we can do for women". All that is left to do is dismiss their complaints with the same non-chalance they dismiss ours.
""Mankeeping describes the emotional labor women end up doing in heterosexual relationships. It goes beyond remembering birthdays or coordinating social plans. It means being your partner’s one-man support system. Managing his stress. Interpreting his moods. Holding his hand through feelings he won’t share with anyone else. All of it unpaid, unacknowledged, and often unreciprocated.""
I'm surprised that you fell into their frame on this one. Here's the thing. Nobody is asking women to do these activities. Men aren't confessing their feelings to women. Women are working overtime to pry those feelings out of their man, complaining that they don't feel connected to him. If I miss my friend's birthday, he doesn't care. I haven't talked to some of my best friends in 6 months. It doesn't matter. We pick right back up where we left off. Men generally want to be fucked and then left the fuck alone. Mankeeping is just some made up bullshit by women to justify the women butting their noses into places they do not belong.
Fair comment mate. I do tend to hang around with men who are go getters, so I probably aren't exposed to the type of men who just hang back and let their wives do it all.
I mean those are pretty good but limited. In these the man gives in and I'm assuming his idealized version the woman would I guess know her place?
What happens when you have two captains that don't know how to submit. With one like me who finds all of it just needlessly tedious and self indulging.
Reciprocity you want to go camping, hiking, spend a month living off the land? I'm the lead. Fancy dress party! I will follow your lead. Build a house I'm your man. 4 hours the phone tryin to pay a bill? You many have to take it when I start twitching.
I feel the same way: annoyed for yet another victim puke, but not angry at the notion per se. It was already well established anyway. It would be like getting angry with those women who explicitly say they won't go out with you if you aren't 6 feet on Tinder. They are sincere. What more do you want? It's not like they would act differently if they didn't say it. Complete lack of shame on their part has its positive perks.
Good advice. It's tempting to focus on how annoying their memes are. Instead we can still acknowledge how annoying their memes are, but understand why it's arisen and ask if there's any lessons for what we can control (our own behaviour).
My guess is you may have never been in a relationship where you consume the person's life. Not wanting them to spend time with there immature "single" friends or just afraid he will find someone better. Until one day you start acting like the fact he sacrificed his old life to be with you in some way now makes him a child.
You may also not project how you think and feel onto men. Like feeling guilty about going out with your friends when he just want to, good example work on a hobby. Then develop resentment about it despite the fact he is just happy to be alone to work on it. 😂
I think the men saying “they do it to us” are missing the reality of the “double standards” that knit together the fabric of every erotic relationship. Women have a primal need to seek advice and guidance from their man, to be able to trust his competence and have their neuroses put to rest for a second, and this need is foundational to a healthy sexual dynamic.
Not so the other way around, unless a man has Oedipal leanings, and that’s strange and unnatural and hazardous for women.
But women deal in hierarchy when it comes to eroticism. Equality and buddy-buddy friendships are not sexy.
Also women’s relationships w each other haven’t been demonized the way men’s have and women are innately more social, so women almost always have a gaggle of other women to bear their burdens joys confusions, what have you.
Huh, discussing the moral implications of a Star Trek episode is pointless... So if she isn't your friend, what is the overall goal other than emotional support/ leadership /seduction? Or is that about it?
Like Nuclear Caudillo said : "There's nothing more we can do for women". All that is left to do is dismiss their complaints with the same non-chalance they dismiss ours.
Yes
""Mankeeping describes the emotional labor women end up doing in heterosexual relationships. It goes beyond remembering birthdays or coordinating social plans. It means being your partner’s one-man support system. Managing his stress. Interpreting his moods. Holding his hand through feelings he won’t share with anyone else. All of it unpaid, unacknowledged, and often unreciprocated.""
I'm surprised that you fell into their frame on this one. Here's the thing. Nobody is asking women to do these activities. Men aren't confessing their feelings to women. Women are working overtime to pry those feelings out of their man, complaining that they don't feel connected to him. If I miss my friend's birthday, he doesn't care. I haven't talked to some of my best friends in 6 months. It doesn't matter. We pick right back up where we left off. Men generally want to be fucked and then left the fuck alone. Mankeeping is just some made up bullshit by women to justify the women butting their noses into places they do not belong.
You're not wrong, but you're not correct either.
Most men are definitely as you describe. However, I have seen many guys who make these mistakes.
That is essentially what a Type 1 Captain is. Which in failed relationships is the most common dynamic. Common enough to write this post.
Many women do have a valid grievance, but in typical woman fashion it manifests as a condescending and infantilizing manner.
Fair comment mate. I do tend to hang around with men who are go getters, so I probably aren't exposed to the type of men who just hang back and let their wives do it all.
What is a type 1 captain?
https://www.reddit.com/r/marriedredpill/comments/2yrxtp/the_three_dysfunctional_captains_and_first/
Nice find. That post is a masterpiece
Thank Rian Stone. He's the Library of Alexandria for aggregating all the material over the past few decades.
I mean those are pretty good but limited. In these the man gives in and I'm assuming his idealized version the woman would I guess know her place?
What happens when you have two captains that don't know how to submit. With one like me who finds all of it just needlessly tedious and self indulging.
Reciprocity you want to go camping, hiking, spend a month living off the land? I'm the lead. Fancy dress party! I will follow your lead. Build a house I'm your man. 4 hours the phone tryin to pay a bill? You many have to take it when I start twitching.
Do realize those are just archetypes of a failing relationship (assuming you are referring ro the three captains).
As for my post, nothing is meant to be taken as gospel. It is a generalities and to be taken in situation.
I feel the same way: annoyed for yet another victim puke, but not angry at the notion per se. It was already well established anyway. It would be like getting angry with those women who explicitly say they won't go out with you if you aren't 6 feet on Tinder. They are sincere. What more do you want? It's not like they would act differently if they didn't say it. Complete lack of shame on their part has its positive perks.
100%
Good advice. It's tempting to focus on how annoying their memes are. Instead we can still acknowledge how annoying their memes are, but understand why it's arisen and ask if there's any lessons for what we can control (our own behaviour).
Absolutely!
lol bro like what *do* women do in relationships? Are they literally just a hole?
Haven’t really seen this with men. I have found them to be quite stoical and also to have lots of interests and hobbies.
My guess is you may have never been in a relationship where you consume the person's life. Not wanting them to spend time with there immature "single" friends or just afraid he will find someone better. Until one day you start acting like the fact he sacrificed his old life to be with you in some way now makes him a child.
You may also not project how you think and feel onto men. Like feeling guilty about going out with your friends when he just want to, good example work on a hobby. Then develop resentment about it despite the fact he is just happy to be alone to work on it. 😂
I really liked this article.
I think the men saying “they do it to us” are missing the reality of the “double standards” that knit together the fabric of every erotic relationship. Women have a primal need to seek advice and guidance from their man, to be able to trust his competence and have their neuroses put to rest for a second, and this need is foundational to a healthy sexual dynamic.
Not so the other way around, unless a man has Oedipal leanings, and that’s strange and unnatural and hazardous for women.
But women deal in hierarchy when it comes to eroticism. Equality and buddy-buddy friendships are not sexy.
Also women’s relationships w each other haven’t been demonized the way men’s have and women are innately more social, so women almost always have a gaggle of other women to bear their burdens joys confusions, what have you.
Huh, discussing the moral implications of a Star Trek episode is pointless... So if she isn't your friend, what is the overall goal other than emotional support/ leadership /seduction? Or is that about it?
By this definition, mankeeping sounds like a big ass covert contract.
It is, but it is a waste of time to tackle the covert contracts women have. Dare, I say, they have more than men.
Also, they say "unpaid" for what is essentially the odd bit of emotional support. Yet more evidence all women are whores.
I wonder what would happen if a man dared to neglect to manage their stress or detect their moods.
Time to step up my game again. Great piece!
Thank you, sir!